The old seats are found on some Boeing 767 and 777-200 aircraft. The seat itself is solid — it hasn’t changed much since launch (apart from new upholstery) and whilst it’s fine, many competitors have introduced a more modern cabin with better features. British Airways’ new premium economy seats Last year British Airways introduceda new premium economy seat on some of their Gatwick based Boeing 777s. Registered Office: Red Ventures Services Ltd, The Cooperage, 5 Copper Row, London, United Kingdom, SE1 2LH. Thank you, Graeme, for this great flight review! Though straightforward, it didn’t print a baggage tag (nor did it tell me that it hadn’t), so I was a bit confused when the machine asked me to scan the tag with a nearby handheld scanner. Soft product enhancements include an upgraded dining experience, improved menu with full bar service, noise-reducing headphones and an amenities kit. Not only do the C gates offer you plenty of duty-free shopping and cafes to help pass the time, but it is also a much quieter place to rest and relax before your flight. It was a fairly quiet Wednesday morning in Terminal 5 with minimal queuing at security. British Airways World Traveller Plus does not offer passengers with lounge access, or even the option to purchase lounge access. A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Having read and heard about soft-product enhancements, including Club World meals and an improved second meal service, I was surprised that my soft drinks were served in plastic glasses (there was a proper wine glass on the tray). Once dinner service was completed and I topped up my wine glass, it was well and truly time to relax and enjoy the flight. The seat has two USB charging points right under the screen, which featured British Airways’ standard IFE on the 777, offering a good range of films. Once I moved it up, it had to go up all the way before it could be put down again. A British Airways 787 Dreamliner and A Virgin Atlantic 787 Dreamliner. This site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. The LHR-YYZ flights are a mix of 777-200 and 787 aircraft, the latter should all have new WTP. This will ensure you receive your preferred meal choice. On the new Boeing 777, 40 World Traveller Plus seats are distributed across five rows. Nicky loved first class, but Dan wasn’t quite as enthusiastic about Club World. The entire British Airways Boeing 777-200 fleet will be refitted with new Next Generation Club World Business Class seats. Editorial Note: The Points Guy UK is independent; the opinions published here are always those of the reviewer, who has final editorial approval. Red Ventures Services Ltd is an appointed representative of Red Ventures Financial Ltd which is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority (FRN: 803495). It’s worth calling BA 48-72 hours before and try to get those seats. BA World Traveller cabin on LGW based Boeing 777 aircraft (Image Credit: British Airways) British Airways is now more than a third of its way through the refurbishment of its fleet of Boeing 777-200 aircraft at London Gatwick. We flew with British Airways, in economy, as the flights worked best with our plans – and were also the most cost effective. I chose to only recline slightly as I was quite conscious of the person sitting behind me. Unsubscribe at any time. I sat in a window seat on the port side, and the cabin (and the whole flight) was less than a third full. Premium economy offers a good value depending on the fare difference over economy. Each set has a foot rest that extends with the seat controls and a more generous recline than a standard Economy class seat. But it was a good, solid flight. They also enjoyed BA’s amenity kit. Waiting at my seat was a blanket, pillow, amenities kit and over-the-ear, noise-reducing headphones. British Airways was amongst the first major international airlines to introduce a premium-economy product in 2000, and although the cabin had been refreshed and the seat and cabin looked and felt fresh, it was not quite the oasis of a premium experience that BA’s marketers would want you to believe. My flight on British Airways was reasonably good. Boarding was slightly delayed and began approximately 20 minutes prior to the scheduled departure time, starting with First Class, then followed by Business Class, Premium Economy and lastly Economy Class passengers. Get the best seat possible with our British Airways 777-300 seating chart and traveler seat reviews. This means that no advice is given or implied and you are solely responsible for deciding whether the product is suitable for your needs. Though check-in and security had been quiet, the terminal itself was buzzing. By clicking a product link, you are departing from The Points Guy UK, and we cannot be held responsible the accuracy of the information contained within the linked site. Editorial Disclosure: Opinions expressed here are the author’s alone, not those of any bank, credit card issuer, hotel, airline, or other entity mentioned herein. Particularly for a day flight, I’d happily take BA WTP again. See, British Airways American Express Premium Plus Card, BREAKING: UAE is removed from travel corridor immediately, Bahamas blowout: Inside the £12,000-per-night Four Seasons villa fit for royalty, American Express dropping 1 hotel elite status benefit from the Platinum Card. On the menu I got was a choice of lamb, guinea fowl and pasta. Be the first to review this seat! The contents were presented in a cheap, see-through plastic bag. Travel Codex is owned by Travel Codex, LLC. With this many passengers, the chances of you getting your first meal choice are slim if you are seated closer to the back of the cabin. We booked my flight using 26,000 Avios and £321 in taxes. On their Boeing 777-200s, premium economy class passengers have a dedicated cabin with just 40 recliner seats in a 2-4-2 layout. Please view our advertising policy page for more information. Aircraft: Boeing 777-200 (4 class) And here’s a picture of the new British Airways Premium Economy class product found on their Airbus A380, Boeing 787/777-300ER and retrofitted Boeing 767/777-200 aircraft. Cash prices for return tickets in premium economy have the potential to fluctuate quite a bit — through the end of the schedule tickets cost anywhere from £550 to about £1,550. I’d say for the comfort of the seat pitch alone, especially if you can sit on a window side in a row of 2, this was definitely worth paying for. An hour before we landed in New York, the crew came around with a light snack consisting of a wrap (chicken caesar for those in the first couple rows and egg mayo for everyone else); crisps (chips) and a packet of biscuits (cookies) – Practicing my American lingo before we landed, accompanied by a choice of drink, of which I had a coffee. BA experimented a few years ago with removing the second meal from economy on shorter flights to the East Coast of the US, but they have since gone back on that decision. Overall, I was very happy with this flight, and I’d recommend it to anyone who wants to pay the premium over regular economy. The individual tray tables were located in the center armrests in between the two seats, along with a mini-shelf for beverages. I did have a good chat with the crew in the back galley halfway through the flight. Almost all of British Airways’ long-haul flights depart from the B or C gates in Terminal 5 (there’s only one long-haul stand at T5A), and as boarding time approached, I headed over to the C gates using the train. We’ll cut to the chase, as like us you’re probably only reading about British Airways 777 Premium Economy for one reason: is the seat enough of a step up from Economy to warrant the price? If you have any comments or questions for him, please leave them in the comments section below. Graeme is a frequent flier and world traveler based in London. Shortly after takeoff and before the main meal service, the crew served a round of drinks. Please welcome my friend, Graeme, to the blog! Compared to the other airlines, I’d say the presentation of the amenities kit lacked some class. Despite BA publicising a better second meal, it’s one that can be a bit funny. 11645522. Speeds weren’t particularly quick, but adequate to get some work done. With a flying time scheduled at well over 10 hours, there was plenty of time to get a good sense of what the American Airlines Premium Economy cabin and service are all about. Terminal 5 South security was equally deserted. Not the most efficient check-in experience and a disappointing second meal. The extra width, pitch, and handy footrest really made a difference. Initially introduced as an enhanced economy product, many features now resemble business class. The seats were great for recline but on the negative side, can be bothersome when the passenger in front is reclined all the way into your face. When the luck of the draw landed me in World Traveller Plus, BA’s premium-economy product, I was actually quite happy: BA was in the process of enhancing their soft product, and whilst I have done the more premium cabins on a regular basis, I hadn’t flown premium economy for some time. Other than the underseat storage, there were no real pockets or places to keep my personal effects nearby. Between each seat was a small tray table, handy for drinks or smaller items. Despite this, I can’t say I loved a reheated pizza in a box as a second meal (which, given the arrival time of just after midnight, was also going to be the last meal of the day for most passengers) even though it was a short flight. The service on board was very attentive and the range of drinks provided by British Airways was substantial to cater for the needs of most on an 8-hour flight. The only thing I’d pick at would be the amenity kit. Depart: 11:20 AM Even though the passenger in front of me had fully reclined his seat, I was still able to tilt my IFE monitor forward and not miss out on any action on the TV. Sitting by the window with a fellow passenger to my left, there was plenty of elbow room as we did not share an armrest. I am not sure if this is the norm or just happened on this flight. British Airways’ World Traveller Plus was launched as a better seat with economy-class service. What makes BA’s premium economy offering relatively attractive is not just various service enhancements but also the fact that it doesn’t try to cram in passengers, like in many carriers’ economy cabins nowadays with 10-abreast seating. World Traveller features a new slimmer seat, with a hard back. This compensation helps pay the costs associated with running our website, and does not result in any additional fees to you. On the other, this can be the last chance for hours to eat on a flight. There was plenty of room in the overhead bins to place my carry-on luggage but less so at the actual seat. Here’s a picture of the old British Airways Premium Economy product. If you’re departing from a C gate, I strongly recommend you taking the train to the C gates section and hanging out there instead of the A gates section. Graeme recently flew British Airways Premium Economy Class, aka “World Traveller Plus,” from London to New York and I asked him to share his flight experience with us today. Arrive: 2:20 PM same day (2:09 PM actual) However, I didn’t fancy standing to eat my poached eggs, so I gladly took a table with a view overlooking the stands outside. The British Airways Boeing 777 seating plan for the 14F version has five rows of Premium Economy (only 11 aircraft have new WTP with wider cocktail tables), and then the rear of the aircraft has Economy, called World Traveller. British Airways 777-200 (4-class) First Class Our next product is the 777-200 (4-class) offered by British Airways. A full bar service took place shortly after meals were served with a choice of wines, beers, and soft drinks to accompany your meal. All passengers boarded through door 2L. As I entered the aircraft, I was very happy to see we were on-board one of the recently refurbished aircraft with the new premium economy class product. Responses have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by the bank advertiser. On the one hand, I’ve often not felt overly hungry around the time a second meal is served. For an explanation of our Advertising Policy, visit this page. We'll never sell or share your information with anyone. Premium economy has gone through an evolution over the years. Flight on the 4th of December 2018 BOS - LHR early morning landing in LHR in the evening. British Airways Boeing 777 Premium Economy Headphones During boarding, the crew were cheery, humorous, and very British. The pitch between seats was good, at 38 inches (compared to 31 inches in economy), though the seat itself was only a little bit wider, at 18 inches, than the economy seat. I would like to subscribe to The Points Guy UK newsletter and special email promotions. Red Ventures Financial Ltd is acting as a credit broker, not a lender. These were not Bose noise-canceling headphones by any means but they were much better than the cheap earbuds or plastic headphones provided in economy class. This content has not been approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. The entire cabin product needs a desperate upgrade and considering BA has a newer cabin product available even on some of their older 777-200’s, flying such a decrepit configuration to Bangalore is not acceptable. The conversation went a bit like this: The onboard media system was really easy to use and they had a great selection of TV shows and Hollywood movies to watch, even a few games on there for those looking for something a bit retro! I also think using proper glasses would have nudged it a bit more into the premium space where airlines are clearly trying to position this product. Currently, British Airways operated 12 wide-body long-haul aircraft Boeing 777-300ER. Power, USB, and RCA connectivity is available in all classes. Cash prices for return tickets in premium economy have the potential to fluctuate quite a bit — through the end of the schedule tickets cost anywhere from £550 to about £1,550. The flight/hotel combo was booked via expedia.com and we were pleasantly surprised to find that our return flight was in Premium Economy. British Airways Economy Class on the 777: Hong Kong to London BA32 review. BA Premium Economy seats on 777 Disclaimer: The responses below are not provided or commissioned by the bank advertiser. Boarding was almost complete, despite me being at the gate early, so I went straight on board. The second meal on this flight consisted of a reheated pizza in a box (whilst economy passengers got a cold wrap). Articles are of a general nature and should not be relied upon for individual circumstances. While service didn't go above and beyond, it was totally acceptable for a premium-economy flight. ... IKA-LHR is usually operated by 777-200s, which have a mixture of old and new WTP. Once seated, the seat felt more comfortable than the economy class, or Euro business class, seats I’m used to. However, I opted for the Braised Beef dish as I just have a thing about avoiding fish on an airplane. On their Boeing 777-200s, premium economy class passengers have a dedicated cabin with just 40 recliner seats in a 2-4-2 layout. Christopher R. March 27, 2019. We paid for the taxes using the British Airways American Express Premium Plus Card to take advantage of the 3x Avios for booking with BA. Memories of an early morning flight with the smell of fishcakes back in the 90s have scarred me for life. Thankfully, a friendly agent helped me and manually checked my bag. TIP – You can pre-select your meal ahead of time by managing your booking online. Seats A,C,D,E,F,H, and K in World Traveller Economy Class … We may receive compensation when you click on links to those products. There were two toilets at the back of the cabin, which were shared with the World Traveller cabin. If you get the old, unrefurbished Premium Economy, you will be disappointed by the tatty presentation of the seats and the old fashioned feel of the cabin. You can connect with him on Instagram at @gcrobb. As you might have read over the last few days, we decided to put all four British Airways classes — First, Club World, World Traveller Plus and World Traveller — to the test at the same time on the same flight, from London Heathrow to Abu Dhabi. The food was delicious for “airport food” but came at a very hefty price, as it is the only restaurant I know of that charges you a mandatory 12.5% gratuity and a £1.50 fee per customer for the pleasure of dining at their establishment. That’s a significant upgrade over regular economy class, aka “World Traveller Class,” with seats measuring just 17.5 inches wide and 31 inches in pitch. The new British Airways Premium Economy Class seats offer better ergonomics, increased recline, personal in-seat power and a 60% larger IFE monitor. All images by the author for The Points Guy. This site is for entertainment purposes only. The seat had a few oddities that made it clear that it was an older product compared to similar products being rolled out on other carriers. In fact, they sent most passengers to the fast-track lane, which was completely empty. The very first of the existing aircraft to complete the refurbishment was a Boeing 777-200, which was then assigned on the prized route from London Heathrow (LHR) to New York JFK. I chose to watch the Baywatch movie but then quickly found something else, perhaps a bit more educational, and so switched over to watch the “Churchill” movie instead. Add comment. The passenger in 25G was trying to open the overhead bins, and attracted the attention of the cabin crew. Unlike on some of its 747s, the IFE on BA’s 777 fleet had been upgraded and was relatively responsive. The meal itself was tasty, and I enjoyed the combination of the fresh starter, the Arabic-style lamb and the chocolate truffle. Skytrax British Airways 777 Premium Economy Class Review: A reviewer from South Africa gave a 9 out of 10 rating in their British Airways Premium Economy Review. But I'm not sure about British Airways Premium Economy seats!!! This was my first time using one of these self-serve bag-drop machines. Product links are provided on a non-advised basis. There was ample storage space on this empty flight, but even on a full flight the large overhead bins would have accommodated all passengers’ belongings. By the time I finished eating, we were already descending into JFK. Report inappropriate content . American Airlines Premium Economy Routes are international, Hawaii and Alaska flights. Seats: 24K Premium Economy Class. Nowadays, it serves main courses from its business-class menu, uses the same headsets and tries to give passengers a premium experience. London Air Travel » British Airways » BA’s 10 abreast economy Boeing 777 September Update. The 777-200 is a significantly louder aircraft with less comfortable seating, and it has more facilities around the first class area. This means that the aircraft has a 2-4-2 layout. And in the air, premium economy class passengers enjoy a more spacious seat with greater recline, lumbar support, adjustable headrest and footrest for increased comfort (but no legrest). BA fit only 9 abreast, giving a wider seat than on many other airlines. The flight was lightly loaded, which can often mean either great service (because the crew aren’t rushed) or the opposite (because the crew take it easy). Though I have status with British Airways, I headed to the self-service machines that BA uses for all nonpremium passengers (including premium economy). (Image courtesy of from ExpertFlyer) On this aircraft, 20A and 20K are bassinet seats, meaning they are usually blocked until a few days before the flight. Premium economy is actually Norwegian’s top cabin, and it tries to be more business class than economy. Featured user comments. There was no facial towelette included, however better than this, the flight attendant did come around with hot towels to freshen up before departure. American Airlines offers a Premium Economy cabin on most of its long-haul fleet and this is a review of the airline's product on its Boeing 777-200 aircraft flying between London Heathrow and Los Angeles. Nothing overly charming, personalised or memorable, but nothing wrong with it either. British Airways Fleet Boeing 777-200/ER configuration. Comments Boeing 777-200 with four classes of service: First Class, New Club World, World Traveller Plus and World Traveller. There was a small remote control in the armrest and an additional charging point between the seats. The main tray table was stored in the armrest and folded out to be big enough for working and meals — though I usually find that tray tables that come out of the armrest can be wobbly, as was the case with this one. Cash prices for return tickets in premium economy have the potential to fluctuate quite a bit — through the end of the schedule tickets cost anywhere from £550 to about £1,550. Overall, the ground experience was smooth, quick and efficient enough, though needing to speak to an agent to check my bag after trying two machines (the only way nonpremium passengers can now check their bags) was inefficient and annoying. The economy cabin on British Airways' 777 was less polished, and certainly not new. The meal tray looked to be on the messy side, and I’m not sure why the crew didn’t remove the foil from the meal. The crew passed out landing cards and cleared away any rubbish we had left before landing. British Airways 777-300ERs are equipped with 299 seats in four classes – 14 in first class, 56 in business or Club World as the airline calls it, 44 in premium economy or World Traveller Plus, and 185 in economy or World Traveller. We have previously compared BA and Cathay in economy class. The footrest of the seat was basic and clunky. The first generation premium economy seats are the ones to avoid as they are old and tired with a subpar in-flight entertainment system. Stay tuned for Jean’s thoughts on BA’s economy-class product — but here’s my impression of World Traveller Plus. Whilst passengers were settling into their seats, cabin crew (on this occasion Simone) visited each passenger to offer a complimentary pre-departure beverage of sparkling wine, orange juice or water. Shortly after take-off, the crew begin an onboard service of drinks from the bar and distributed the menu cards for the flight. by James DozerLast updated February 17, 2019. This site does not include all credit card companies or all available credit card offers. BA World Traveller cabin on LGW based Boeing 777 aircraft (Image Credit: British Airways) British Airways is now more than half way through the refurbishment of its fleet of Boeing 777-200 aircraft at London Gatwick. Be the first to add a photo! Note: When booking British Airways Premium Economy, make sure to look at your specific aircraft type as they currently offer two versions of their World Traveller Plus product. The British Airways World Traveller Plus cabin seated 40 passengers over five rows in a 2-4-2 layout. I got to try Club Suite on this aircraft, so I also wanted to try out the World Traveller Plus (premium economy) … After breakfast, I hung out at the gate and waited for our flight to be called. Flight: BA173 I’ll talk more about Graeme below the post but for now, here’s some basic information about British Airways World Traveller Plus Premium Economy. The new British Airways Premium Economy Class seats offer better ergonomics, increased recline, personal in-seat power and a 60% larger IFE monitor. Each World Traveller Plus Premium Economy Class seat also featured 2 USB charging ports and an IFE remote for using the in-flight entertainment system, should you not wish to touch the screen or cannot reach. The Points Guy UK is a trading name of Red Ventures Services Ltd, registered in England and Wales No. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. It is not the bank advertiser’s responsibility to ensure all posts and/or questions are answered. © 2021 THE POINTS GUY, LLC. British Airways operate these on routes to Asia and North America. British Airway's new Premium Economy is featured with an enhanced seat and a larger personal television. An upgraded seat Our premium economy (World Traveller Plus) seats are wider, with greater recline, lumbar support, a head and foot rest, plus extra leg room to stretch out. The seatback pocket was small and stuffed with the numerous magazines provided by British Airways, which left me with little space to keep my passport, cell phone, etc. Under each seat was an IFE box, which slightly restricted foot space. These planes do not have AVOD, and the films cycle on a loop. seat nk beta. This post contains references to products from one or more of our advertisers. The information, including card rates, product pricing and fees, presented in the review is accurate as of the date of the review – please check product pages for the most current information. On this flight, the service was solid. There are 14 seats in a 1-2-1 configuration, each 22 inches wide and 78 inches in pitch. Many of the offers that appear on this site are from companies from which The Points Guy UK receives compensation. Though initially I had a neighbour, once the crew announced that boarding had been completed, he took one of the four empty middle seats, giving us both more space. Aviation geek, fitness dork and overall nerd. On this flight, I was seated in seat 24K, a window seat located on the right side of the aircraft. This aircraft type is based from London Heathrow. British Airways Premium Economy is a very average product, but it is still worth paying the extra if you can afford it. Learn to how to find the cheapest awards. Note that British Airways flies more than one version of the 777. ... this is an average premium economy seat: Add a Tip. 6 min read. Availability to Abu Dhabi (AUH) can be good, and it’s worth … London Air Travel » British Airways » BA’s 10 Abreast Economy Boeing 777 2019 Update. The seats are by no means cutting edge or anything special, though they do feature 50% larger entertainment screens, and six-way adjustable leg, foot, and headrests. You also receive a small snack of a packet of Pretzels. Availability to Abu Dhabi (AUH) can be good, and it’s worth checking this route if you plan a trip to Dubai (DXB), as the drive between the two cities only takes an hour or so. Both choices on the printed menu (fish or beef) looked great. The cabin refresh a few years ago introduced sleek colours and ambience, though it was obvious that the seat and cabin was older and behind many more modern premium-economy offerings. Because of that, I decided to have breakfast at Gordon Ramsey’s Plane Food restaurant before heading to my gate. Editorial Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are the author’s alone, not those of any bank, credit card issuer, airlines or hotel chain, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. The beef, albeit doesn’t look that great in the picture below, was quite tender and tasted rather nice. Giving you the best information on miles and points so you can take better trips and live better stories. If you are not sure which is the right product for you, you should seek advice. British Airways took part in the design of the aircraft with Boeing, and is today one of the world’s largest operator of the type. Each seat had a medium-sized pillow, blanket, the same headphones that BA uses in its Club World cabins (though not of the noise-canceling standard that many airlines use for their premium classes), and a small amenity kit with a toothbrush, socks and an eye mask. We booked my flight using 26,000 Avios and £321 in taxes. Add a Review. Premium economy on the refurbished British Airways 777-200. Had it just been presented inside a reusable case, it would have made the product much more premium. Let the battle commence! London (LHR) to New York (JFK) Flying a British Airways Boeing 777-300 soon? The screen folded out slightly and could be adjusted if the seat in front reclined. I was! Hi everyone. There are four classes on this transatlantic aircraft, but BA also has a 3-class configuration. Read user reviews for British Airways Boeing 777-300 (773) The British Airways Boeing 777 seating plan for the 17F version has three rows of Premium Economy, and then the rear of the aircraft has Economy, called World Traveller. Solid hard product, roomy cabin and some business-class touches. The Points Guy UK will not sell your email. Tip: London Heathrow Terminal 5 is divided into three gate sections, Gates A – C. If you are departing from the B or C gates, you have to board an underground train to transport you to your gate. On the ground, British Airways Premium Economy Class passengers receive priority boarding ahead of economy class passengers and extra baggage allowance. I also had flights with American Airlines, Iberia and Norwegian in premium economy lined up, so it was a great way to compare the products. British Airways is in the process of rolling out Wi-Fi across its fleet, and this aircraft had it. 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